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Airborne Duron Gauntlet attempts to defy
gravity while P4 whimpers quietly in corner!
New SETI
Driver out, v1.6.2 - do I need to say more. No, but I will anyway. Author Mike
Ober has a very understated sense of humour.
The Driver site
has undergone serious cosmetic surgery but the only mention in the 'changes
history' is a spelling correction!
It is getting harder to make
interesting copy out of benchmarks these days. The surprises have just about
been weeded out and most systems/processors fall into line with just a few basic
rules. The most important with v3 being clock speed, even the quirky and
intriguing OS variations have faded into the background, L2 cache size break
point is far lower and the SETI client is heavily Intel optimised (or rather it
runs more efficiently on their kit, don't want the conspiracy theorists warmed
up). So it was rather fun to
read an early bench
on a P4 in the forum from Krell:
"I finally got my hands on a
spanking new Dell Dimension 8100 with a 1.5GHz Pentium IV and 256MB of dual
channel PC800 RDRAM @ 400MHz. Just
started the benchmark unit on the 3.0 CLI under Windows 2000..." Eventual
outcome
being 4:26! Now the technically astute (awake in other words) of you might be thinking that with
FSB/clock being king then we should have been seeing sub two hours. Vaguely
knowledgeable authority figure Roelof came
up with a figure of 2:15 in the P4
SETI benchmarks thread. I was just wading into technical notes and P4
comparisons to come up with a vaguely plausible rationale for the 4:26 time when
a submission from GMU appeared. His 2:30
seemed to be pleasantly at odds with Krells
bench and it spares me trundling out some ignorant fumblings of a techie nature.
I will merely state that the P4 could still go either way. But as with
so many things, until the SETI coding is optimised for a 64-bit machine (v4 very
vague possibility, v5 more likely if ever - think about P4 uptake rate) the
architectural advantages of the P4 are all but wasted and the Duron (more later)
is still the 'accountants choice' for SETI crunchage.
On the Duron front a no-holds barred outbreak of overclockage followed by
mellowed disbelief have produced some fast times and the chase for fastest
TLC Duron is maturing nicely. Falloutboy
threw down the mailed fist of competition and several hormonally challenged
benchmeisters (well ColinT, subzero and
Elgar) lowered themselves to
smell the glove. Previous leader was MuelTe
at 3:26 which was pushed gently to one side by officeboy's
3:24 which in turn has been ravaged by ColinT's
3:12 (not in table yet). Heatsinks at dawn gentlemen?
Being a determined and obstinate type Betsy
managed a 28:10 from an Athlon 600 using the GUI (screensaver enabled), why (?),
god knows, but such are folk. A little more respectably jmrojo
squeezed a 22:09 from a P200MMX (on NT4) and then a big jump to Stefan
at 13:20 with K6-2 (405MHz). While in the area I better mention fsgray
(12:35, P250MMX - very respectable overclock), Sith
lord's 10:14 (Linux, K6-3 450) and golden_go
at 9:45 (PII 266 ramdrive, misguided but laudable). Now a quick dive into
Celeron heaven: Mex at 7:17 with a Celery II
at 713MHz needing some serious help! Business as usual for Soulegal
who improved from 6:31 to 6:21 with a 533 up to 600 MHz boost using RedHat 6.2.
Changing to W98, the 533/600 Celeron comparison was 6:23 to 5:39. A bit more
like it! JimW managed 6:08 on a 500MHz
Celery and tomwyatt posted two completions
in 6:01 with a dual Win2000 server and 550 Celerons. Very impressive and the 110
FSB against the previous 83 is the reason why two came out as fast as one. Also
at 83MHz FSB for 458 is Tazz slumbering in
the doldrums at 6:25. Yet more Celerage with Thunderbox,
6:00 and Smokva, a pleasing 5:45 (high bus
& low multiplier to the fore). Our first PIII drops in at 5:32 from baygents
followed by our first non-ripped Duron at 5:03 from Moller,
who is another ramdisk aficionado, poor deluded
fool. Not sure why JokerG
is at 5:01 on a 900MHz Thunderbird, at least an hour to skim off there. PIII,
650, W2k and 4:54 for jhoefer
is also slightly on the high side. High threes beckon for Idone
if he'd ditch the GUI for CLI that's in at 4:19 presently on a 812 PIII. I like
happy people and KWSN Sir Loin
fits the bill nicely also at 4:19 for a 650MHz PIII. JimN
has produced a very quick Athlon (720/120) time of 4:10 but just heading him is Sir
Rich's Athlon (850MHz) at 4:03. Last time in
the 4's is William M
whose 4:01 on an unclocked Thunderbird 850 holds hope of fairly impressive
things to come.
Into the three's goes manny
(3:58) and some minor exotica from kforce
in the way of an Alpha EV6 which for a 466MHz clock kicks out a solid 3:45. A
minute better (3:44) is Kont3's PII 770 (140FSB) and Tazz
again with a PII at 720 (144FSB) for a 3:32. The
Crow didn't know that feathers were flying for
the fastest Duron title, which is good as he was losing from the start with
3:31. A superb time but still shy of the professional ranks though not many can
claim to have extracted 146MHz from PC100 RAM, tee hee. Still in the 3's with mmtt
(I should have been a poet) at 3:25 and Joey
at 3:18 (PIII 912/112, very tasty for such a low FSB) brings me nicely to Andbad
who has the dubious distinction of benching the first gigahertz Celeron! Ticking
along at 1062MHz it managed to finish in a glorious 3:18. In at 3:15 is Chboss
(1050MHz Tbird) chased down by MattC's
remarkable Athlon (1008MHz) which is going to cause a few raised eyebrows and
envious queries with 3:10. PIII time of 3:08 for peroni
using a 140 bus is indicative of the way things
are going and we are still the wrong side of three hours. Spare a thought for
the humbled PIII Xeons of Action
that are slapping them down at 3:08 a pair from this dual 700MHz 1MB L2 slab of
greyness. Excellent performance...but not for the money! When you call yourself jobbigvolvo
you deserve a good time and I guess 3:07 on a PIII at 938 (125) just about
qualifies. One minute to the good via a big bus of 155MHz is Amy's
PIII (980) newly in at 3:06 and last of tonight's plus 3 times. So sneaking
under the wire for 2:59 is Schnider
with Gary D in
close attendance at 2:58. If neck-wringing was a spectator sport I guess I'd
park my chair in Roelof's shed and listen to that Thunderbird squawk! Firstly at
1177MHz from a 1Gig Tbird, remember these things are being pushed pretty hard at
their rated speed let alone above, extracted a 2:57. But not letting the
corpse rest he gave it another twist up to 1189MHz to post 2:52. Delightfully
edging Marzio's 2:52 out by 11 seconds. It's a hard world boys. But of course to
spoil the party Jay
gutted a PIII (1001/154) and leapfrogged the chasing pack to record 2:48. But to
round off a very long and somewhat dry overview of the TLC numbers game comes a
sweet poke in the eye from Roger W.
Alpha 21264 running Tru64 Unix and a single client on this multi-proc beastie
bansheed a 2:27 to be top of the sandpile for the present. It's going to take a
big wodge of money to get past that one. I remain calm having learnt some
semblance of self-control.
Max out
Double whammy at a site near you...
Minor (to some) news SETI Driver
now at 1.6.1.1 - yet more minor improvements, under the shell fixes and tweaks
to this excellent caching software. Now with W95 specific support. Also SETI Spy
goes to 3.0.2, smooth utility that just keeps on getting better. Among the fixes
is proper checkbox support allowing closure of both Driver and Spy when exiting
Spy, a very pleasing enhancement. More results up soon!
Housekeeping: If you are out there, playa,
could you get in touch, thanks.
Benchmark
mayhem - PIII/Thunderbird slugfest...the plot begins to boil.
First off an update to SETI Driver
today, which scales the giddy heights of 1.6.0.0. As you might expect there are
fixes and a few enhancements. Main addition is the processor affinity enabling
which will be of value to those TLC'ers who
were Mikes beta crew for this specific
add-on. A TLC critical update I'd say.
Right, now for an attempt to make the words match the results table...I'll still
be way behind after this update but making headway. Looking at the submissions
sheet there are at least another 25 that are not included here. If you haven't
already checked the v3 results table there are many additions from my last round
up of likely suspects. In at 12:40 is Steve Common,
a man more used to low single digit crunching. But that's what you get for
K6-2's at 500MHz these days with CAS3 RAM. Slotting nicely ahead of him is Chboss
and K6-3 at 420MHz for 10:09, nearly next generation cpu 2 hours to the good!
But ultimately both are hampered by having their L2 (512kb) cache on the board -
it's never going to compete with full speed but smaller L2 on die. Be good to
have some more AMD K times in the near future. Haps
pops up with a 9:14 Win2K dual PII, 2 every nine hours is a goodly output.
"Really, really stock"...(enter system name) has almost become
tantamount to an excuse and Jim W is no
stranger to these "hey it's slow but what can I do?" tactics. We
understand, we really, really do. But your 8:55 is nothing to be ashamed of on a
300 PII, with 66 bus, half speed cache and all, I'd be fairly happy. Returning
to the fray is Chboss (several more times to
come) whose Celery is suffering the dreaded Apollo pro chipset fate and
tortoising to an 8:29. Crazy to think that his lower clocked 450 Celeron on the
venerable Intel LX chipset takes nearly 2 hours less, posting 6:41. A useful
7:33 from fsgray and OmniBook XE2 (PII-366)
which rather pleasantly, exactly mirrors Roelofs
7:33 on a Dell Inspiron with the same processor. Ignacio
is two minutes the wrong side of seven hours with PII at 434 using Free BSD and
respective client for 7:02. But it seems a slow OS as Jeffrey
Ottie's Dell Dimension benchmarks are all an hour faster (6:03) for
nominally similar hardware. Whether with ramdisk/TweakBios
or without made only one minutes difference to his times. In fact the minute
improvement to 6:02 was after changing to Win2000 (from 98) and dispensing with
ramdisk and TweakBios (only
Win 9x compatible). Ramdisks have always caught the tweakers imagination but
never lived up to the hype and the benchmarks just seem to reinforce how
needless they are. Laptops wanting to save power (by letting the HD spin down)
seem the only sensible application of a ramdisk, unless you can come up with
something really exotic. I know there are a few diehard proponents out there but
so is the truth! If Scully used a ramdisk, The
Lone Gunmen would soon shoot her down. Clipping in under six hours is
Chboss at 5:51 with a 500MHz Athlon and a
few minutes to the good (5:45) is his PII on a 112 bus. Our first PIII this
update comes in at 5:04 from fsgray with a
550 Katmai. We are just entering the area where faster clock starts to equate
closely to lower time. Brave Betsy set the
priority to 'real-time' for a 4:54 with an Athlon 600, which is foolhardy to say
the least. I think 'unresponsive' would be a mild term to apply to that
particular system, Colin. Using the GUI
slowed Sir Rich to a motley 4:36 with an 850
Athlon, down 20 minutes with the CLI perhaps? Kim S and
PIII Katmai with a 112 bus slaps down a healthy 4:19 but I would hardly call
enabling L2 error correction a tweak, well not in the 'speeds you up bracket'
anyway!
Oh look mother! Rambus (PC800) how quaint. I remember back in the old days when
this stuff was going to rip the guts out of SDRAM and makes us all feel very
small and envious. So a 'stock' Vectra (fsgray)
turning in a 4:13 with 128MB of Rambus just confirms (again) that the technology
is more exciting than the results. Though prices have dropped, it's still an
expensive way to claim bragging rights.
If you have been keeping up with performance issues you'd know that Thunderbirds
are go! Had to get that in somewhere. In at 4:07 is frm220
with an 832MHz Tbird. Just ahead is Steve Common's
more normal time-type offering of 4:04. Unclocked at 600MHz this PIIIEB harks
back to v2 days where CAS2, 133 bus, low multiplier and a good board (BE6) were
in direct competition with big L2 Xeon cache and Athlon/Thunderbirds were
sidelined. This is a very impressive time and shows that not all slower systems
are going to be humbled by the new King Clock. Naturally having said that it is
only right to reaffirm King Clock by banging in a couple of monster Duron times.
Both tsubasa and Beyond
have warmed the price-conscious SETI-crunchers hearts by overclocking from
600MHz to a Gigahertz, most pleasant. Times are respectively 3:51 and a
delicious 3:38. Remeber this is a bargain basement cpu. Splitting them is Hellburner
(great name, is there a Hellfreezer and some little HellsBells?) at 3:43 from a
PIII at 866. Make that CAS3 a 2 and there will be tears before bedtime. Heading
into the 'seriously quick' is Targa and an
unclocked 1GHz Thunderbird for a 3:32, not that you'll be able to ramp it up
much anyway. The battle rages on as another OC'd PIII (at 866) belonging to Ifkommer
flays the bench WU for 3:27. Perhaps it should be renamed the RatMark.
That Chboss
person, is back again with 3:25 and a Thunderbird at a Gig, quite a range of
times from this farm! Be ye humble, for the uncached shall inhabit the stats.
Not too surprisingly Hellburner
returned after deciding that CAS2 was the next step in wringing that PIII's
neck. Tears of joy as it shed 27 minutes to 3:16. Tremendous but I don't think
you will ever see the other side of three hours. Prove me wrong, please! Still a
little way to go as Chad
ups the ante to an inspiring, but also very disappointing 3:01 with a 1.133GHz
Thunderbird and ME. How painful to be that close to a 2 hour time. Finally,
knocking MadMac
off the top spot by a minute is Marzio's
2:52. His PIII 700 OC'd to 1085 wrests the crown back (for now) from the upstart
Tbird brigade. I've been weakly twitching and gurgling the last couple of weeks
as the number of people pushing their systems under 4 hours keeps increasing. I
jealously salute you in this strange game of numbers!
Please don't think that outright speed is everything, fun and informative it is
certainly, but the sheer weight of numbers of slower systems make up a large
chunk of TLC
output. The big-hitters of TLC
are great to have onboard but 'the team' is it's members and that means all of
you.
Max out. What all the best crunchers wear... There's a very recent update to TaskInfo 2000, 575kb zipped, available on Igor Arsenin's download page. How many of you know the name of the author of the software you rely on? I guess his would be would be one of the few. Since many of you use it to see what your system internals are doing while chugging away, it seemed reasonable to post news of this great bit of software. I've been using the 2.2 beta for several months with no problems (on W2K) and it's good to see the new version up at last. Windows 2000 does have Task Manager, but if you want the real dirt on what's running and hogging your cycles, TaskInfo 2000 is the beastie. Also works on 95, 98 & NT. After SETI Spy and SETI Driver this is next in my personal 'must have' list followed closely by Oda bits and pieces. Now for a little bit of miscellaneous update-age... Also in similar it might be-of-interest-some-of-you type vein if you have a "Windows 2000-based computer that contains the VIA AGP chip set" and it hangs when using 3D apps then the MS knowledge base (MSKB) has an article and patch. Thanks to BetaNews for that one. Got a relatively recent Maxtor drive? Yes. Ever heard of Acoustic Management, nope, me neither. Some newer disks have their seek times under-optimised to keep them quieter. That really got me interested, how dare they slow down my drive, am I affected, can I get more speed, slobber, drool..? So if you want to make it faster (those once a minute sah file writes can really add up, got to be worth a few milliseconds per WU) then have a look at this Maxtor AMSET document which links to the utility you need. The info was spotted at Rojaks pot (Thurs November 2 - "Maxtor replies") but starts in the archives, Sunday 29th Oct "Acoustic Management for Maxtor Drives". My 20Gig DiamondMax Plus 6800 was to old apparently. Oh well, the chase was fun but now I need to go and clean the carpet, again.Yet more hardware updates surfaced from AMDZone (Nov. 1st item) for AMD chipsets or go straight to the AMD drivers page. New AGP driver v5.21 - not sure how it links in, if at all, with the MS patch. Okay, back to the reality of TLC housekeeping and there are more times in the pipes. These include some serious Duron and Thunderbird speed demons. Words and numbers will appear sometime over the next few days (I hope), ready for a Monday morning office onslaught after a hard weekend down on the 'farm'. If Maxx and SETIan are reading this could you get in touch about those slaughterhouse times (no I'm not sure what that means either). Thanks. I'm approximately ten days in arrears as far as submissions go, so if you think you've been ignored or omitted it's more than likely that you are in my backlog. How does zAmboni keep up, is he human? The jury is still out on recently co-moderator enabled RB! Max out.
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